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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.eclecticreality.net/2010/01/defining-unschooling/comment-page-1/#comment-3105</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so interesting to me! We are both on the same side as wanting whats best for our children, just different paths. 

Thinking long term for our children when they will enter the work force, or about our husbands working every day, are they able to go to work &#039;when and if they want to&#039;, (I know my husband has to be at work at 10am) a choice in &#039;what they learn&#039; (my husband has specific job duties he must do) &#039;a choice in &#039;who they hand out with&#039; (my husband didn&#039;t choose his coworkers). My husband also has to &#039;follow directions&#039; from his boss and get along with clients he may not like or respect very much. This is the real world of working that we live in. I think it will be shocking for kids if they aren&#039;t exposed to the real working world until they are forced into it. Not that young kids need to be exposed but at some point they need to gradually gain the experiences that will help them from age 20ish-60ish. 

My husband and myself (and the majority of people we know) were able to choose our careers based on our wide childhood experiences, learn through college which opened more doors for us to get jobs that we love going to every day of our life. Instead of limited choices and settling with jobs that are not our passion but we have to earn a living some how. 

You say unschooling is &#039;forming relationships and choosing their own friends&#039; but with who? Unschoolers are with their family most of the time or designated play dates with parent approved families. Except for playing with neighborhood kids, unschooled kids are not exposed to a group of kids to choose and not choose friends (based on family values) to build and change relationships over a long period of time. Even art or swim classes are still a superficial friendship group because it is based around a single interest, the ability to pay, and a short amount of time (1 hr lessons 2x a week) and there is very little freetime to play with each other to form long term friendships within the structured hour class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so interesting to me! We are both on the same side as wanting whats best for our children, just different paths. </p>
<p>Thinking long term for our children when they will enter the work force, or about our husbands working every day, are they able to go to work &#8216;when and if they want to&#8217;, (I know my husband has to be at work at 10am) a choice in &#8216;what they learn&#8217; (my husband has specific job duties he must do) &#8216;a choice in &#8216;who they hand out with&#8217; (my husband didn&#8217;t choose his coworkers). My husband also has to &#8216;follow directions&#8217; from his boss and get along with clients he may not like or respect very much. This is the real world of working that we live in. I think it will be shocking for kids if they aren&#8217;t exposed to the real working world until they are forced into it. Not that young kids need to be exposed but at some point they need to gradually gain the experiences that will help them from age 20ish-60ish. </p>
<p>My husband and myself (and the majority of people we know) were able to choose our careers based on our wide childhood experiences, learn through college which opened more doors for us to get jobs that we love going to every day of our life. Instead of limited choices and settling with jobs that are not our passion but we have to earn a living some how. </p>
<p>You say unschooling is &#8216;forming relationships and choosing their own friends&#8217; but with who? Unschoolers are with their family most of the time or designated play dates with parent approved families. Except for playing with neighborhood kids, unschooled kids are not exposed to a group of kids to choose and not choose friends (based on family values) to build and change relationships over a long period of time. Even art or swim classes are still a superficial friendship group because it is based around a single interest, the ability to pay, and a short amount of time (1 hr lessons 2x a week) and there is very little freetime to play with each other to form long term friendships within the structured hour class.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.eclecticreality.net/2010/01/defining-unschooling/comment-page-1/#comment-3083</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask all the questions you want.  :-)  I like answering questions about Unschooling!  

&quot;taking their childhood experiences and forming their own new ideas based on the knowledge they have.&quot;  Sort of.  These aren&#039;t new ideas though.  New to a lot of people yes, but it isn&#039;t new to respect and honor the freedom of a human child.  

I see what your saying, but school is a compulsory and coercive environment.  Children do not have a say in when and if they go to school, what they learn, or who they hang out with.  I completely disagree, school does the exact opposite of creating self-confident, independent thinkers.  It creates children who can follow directions and children who think they are failures because they cannot follow directions.  Oh and diversity?  In school?  I don&#039;t think so.  

Unschooling IS &quot;forming relationships, choosing your own friends based on their... [own] ...beliefs, experiencing diversity, being exposed to a wide range of topics and different ideas&quot; without compulsion, coercion, and those nasty unpleasant experiences.  

Children do not need to be taught how to learn, they already know how.  School stifles real, natural learning and puts fabricated &quot;methods&quot; in it&#039;s place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask all the questions you want.  <img src='http://www.eclecticreality.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   I like answering questions about Unschooling!  </p>
<p>&#8220;taking their childhood experiences and forming their own new ideas based on the knowledge they have.&#8221;  Sort of.  These aren&#8217;t new ideas though.  New to a lot of people yes, but it isn&#8217;t new to respect and honor the freedom of a human child.  </p>
<p>I see what your saying, but school is a compulsory and coercive environment.  Children do not have a say in when and if they go to school, what they learn, or who they hang out with.  I completely disagree, school does the exact opposite of creating self-confident, independent thinkers.  It creates children who can follow directions and children who think they are failures because they cannot follow directions.  Oh and diversity?  In school?  I don&#8217;t think so.  </p>
<p>Unschooling IS &#8220;forming relationships, choosing your own friends based on their&#8230; [own] &#8230;beliefs, experiencing diversity, being exposed to a wide range of topics and different ideas&#8221; without compulsion, coercion, and those nasty unpleasant experiences.  </p>
<p>Children do not need to be taught how to learn, they already know how.  School stifles real, natural learning and puts fabricated &#8220;methods&#8221; in it&#8217;s place.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.eclecticreality.net/2010/01/defining-unschooling/comment-page-1/#comment-3079</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather-I don&#039;t mean to be challenging your beliefs, so please take my questions in the fashion they are meant...my thirst to learn more. Isn&#039;t true that our experiences make us who we are, so all the pleasant and not so pleasant experiences from our childhood help to form our ability to creatively think about ideas and form our own ideas. Isn&#039;t that what unschooling parents are doing...taking their childhood experiences and forming their own new ideas based on the knowledge they have. There is so much more to formalized school than just education; forming relationships, choosing your own friends based on their family beliefs, experiencing diversity, being exposed to a wide range of topics and different ideas, all these new experiences help children to become self-confident, independent thinkers in spite of the unpleasant experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather-I don&#8217;t mean to be challenging your beliefs, so please take my questions in the fashion they are meant&#8230;my thirst to learn more. Isn&#8217;t true that our experiences make us who we are, so all the pleasant and not so pleasant experiences from our childhood help to form our ability to creatively think about ideas and form our own ideas. Isn&#8217;t that what unschooling parents are doing&#8230;taking their childhood experiences and forming their own new ideas based on the knowledge they have. There is so much more to formalized school than just education; forming relationships, choosing your own friends based on their family beliefs, experiencing diversity, being exposed to a wide range of topics and different ideas, all these new experiences help children to become self-confident, independent thinkers in spite of the unpleasant experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.eclecticreality.net/2010/01/defining-unschooling/comment-page-1/#comment-3078</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Emily - Have you seen this?  I just put it in my must reads section.  It&#039;s awesome.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M4tdMsg3ts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;High School Valedictorian speaks Out Against Compulsory Schooling&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Emily &#8211; Have you seen this?  I just put it in my must reads section.  It&#8217;s awesome.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M4tdMsg3ts" rel="nofollow">High School Valedictorian speaks Out Against Compulsory Schooling</a></p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.eclecticreality.net/2010/01/defining-unschooling/comment-page-1/#comment-3063</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 04:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like who?  Maybe they are great and independent in spite of schooling.  There is nothing about school that teaches great independent thinking.  That&#039;s something that comes from within.

My husband has never been to college, actually worked FOR Middlebury College in VT, and got all his experience in his current field outside of school.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like who?  Maybe they are great and independent in spite of schooling.  There is nothing about school that teaches great independent thinking.  That&#8217;s something that comes from within.</p>
<p>My husband has never been to college, actually worked FOR Middlebury College in VT, and got all his experience in his current field outside of school.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.eclecticreality.net/2010/01/defining-unschooling/comment-page-1/#comment-3060</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 03:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather, thank you so much for pointing me to the Joyfully Rejoycing website! It answers a lot of my questions. I do have another question...It seems most of the parents who are choosing unschooling for their kids came from formalized schooling; are able to live in a single income household to have a stay at home parent to unschool; and to get a job that pays well enough for this lifestyle they needed a high school diploma, college, a great resume to get an interview and get hired. This same formalized schooling also produced great, independent thinkers for you to choose this lifestyle. So I&#039;m confused on if formalized schooling created great independent thinkers, why are you so against it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather, thank you so much for pointing me to the Joyfully Rejoycing website! It answers a lot of my questions. I do have another question&#8230;It seems most of the parents who are choosing unschooling for their kids came from formalized schooling; are able to live in a single income household to have a stay at home parent to unschool; and to get a job that pays well enough for this lifestyle they needed a high school diploma, college, a great resume to get an interview and get hired. This same formalized schooling also produced great, independent thinkers for you to choose this lifestyle. So I&#8217;m confused on if formalized schooling created great independent thinkers, why are you so against it?</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.eclecticreality.net/2010/01/defining-unschooling/comment-page-1/#comment-3043</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Emily - I won&#039;t be teaching any child to skip count, odds and evens, or spelling rules!  These are all things they will learn when they are ready and want to.  Learning these things isn&#039;t about &quot;rules&quot; and &quot;methods&quot; these are all things that occur in everyday life.  My middle child, Milo (5) loves to count and play with numbers.  I can remember my oldest child Skylar (now almost 12) wishing he could count faster and using skip counting.  As far as spelling rules...  I can&#039;t think of ONE that is a hard and fast rule.  :-)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://joyfullyrejoycing.com/academics/math/speakingmath.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joyfully Rejoycing &lt;/a&gt;

On the left side of Joyce&#039;s Website you can find more math questions and well...  a whole wealth of other things.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Emily &#8211; I won&#8217;t be teaching any child to skip count, odds and evens, or spelling rules!  These are all things they will learn when they are ready and want to.  Learning these things isn&#8217;t about &#8220;rules&#8221; and &#8220;methods&#8221; these are all things that occur in everyday life.  My middle child, Milo (5) loves to count and play with numbers.  I can remember my oldest child Skylar (now almost 12) wishing he could count faster and using skip counting.  As far as spelling rules&#8230;  I can&#8217;t think of ONE that is a hard and fast rule.  <img src='http://www.eclecticreality.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://joyfullyrejoycing.com/academics/math/speakingmath.html" rel="nofollow">Joyfully Rejoycing </a></p>
<p>On the left side of Joyce&#8217;s Website you can find more math questions and well&#8230;  a whole wealth of other things.  <img src='http://www.eclecticreality.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.eclecticreality.net/2010/01/defining-unschooling/comment-page-1/#comment-2945</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree! To me this is parenting! This is what parents should be doing. I have some questions though, how will you teach a child about skip counting by 2&#039;s or 5&#039;s, or odd and even numbers, or about the rules for spelling when most parents don&#039;t know the rules for spelling or why words are spelled not by sounding them out when children don&#039;t know these concepts even exist. I am new to unschooling and want to learn more! I love all your posts! Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree! To me this is parenting! This is what parents should be doing. I have some questions though, how will you teach a child about skip counting by 2&#8242;s or 5&#8242;s, or odd and even numbers, or about the rules for spelling when most parents don&#8217;t know the rules for spelling or why words are spelled not by sounding them out when children don&#8217;t know these concepts even exist. I am new to unschooling and want to learn more! I love all your posts! Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just parenting to me?  No, it&#039;s a lot more than that.  Anyone can be a parent, and do the parenting thing.  It&#039;s how that is important.  :-)  In a nutshell Radical Unschooling is respect for the whole child ( and person), recognizing and loving them as a free individual who can and will learn what he/she needs to know without coercion or force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just parenting to me?  No, it&#8217;s a lot more than that.  Anyone can be a parent, and do the parenting thing.  It&#8217;s how that is important.  <img src='http://www.eclecticreality.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   In a nutshell Radical Unschooling is respect for the whole child ( and person), recognizing and loving them as a free individual who can and will learn what he/she needs to know without coercion or force.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.eclecticreality.net/2010/01/defining-unschooling/comment-page-1/#comment-2923</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 04:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t &#039;unschooling&#039; just parenting??? We learn together day and night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t &#8216;unschooling&#8217; just parenting??? We learn together day and night.</p>
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